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George Oates
31:06
good morning from sunny London!
Mehrdad (he/him)
31:23
A very early morning from Toronto 🙂
Ido Ivry
31:23
Hello from Tel Aviv 🙂
Maryana Iskander
31:24
good afternoon from sunny Johannesburg!
Florence Devouard
31:32
Good mid day from Marseille, super sunny
Medhavi Gandhi
31:33
Soooo sunny here in India too! ;)
Larissa Borck
31:35
Hi everyone from Nyköping, Sweden!
Victoria Leachman
31:36
New Zealand - not so sunny
lucy
31:38
Hello from Berlin!
Ailura
31:40
Vienna Calling
Siobhan Leachman
31:40
Hi from New Zealand - evening
Mike Dickison
31:41
Hello from Hokitika, New Zealand (middle of the night)
Gorana Gomirac
31:42
Hello everyone from Serbia! :)
Susanna Ånäs
31:42
Hi from sunny Helsinki!
Andrew Lih
31:44
Hi all - Commons is the multimedia repository and community of the Wikimedia movement
Fiona Romeo
31:51
Also in sunny London (but with an unseasonal cold and no voice)
Shari Wakiyama
31:59
Good morning from Southern California
Suyash Dwivedi - Affcom Wikimedia
32:00
Hello Suyash from India
Larissa Borck
32:14
”You know, the images in Wikipedia? That's where they are stored.”
Alex Lum
32:16
G'day from Melbourne, Australia
Tajh Taylor
32:17
Hello from Washington DC
Margeigh Novotny
32:19
Good morning from Northern California!
Florence Devouard
32:25
Good definition Larissa
Fiona Romeo
32:32
Please get us warmed up with your explanation of what Commons is for someone who has never used it before
Satdeep Gill
32:36
Hello everyone,Interpretation is available in Spanish, Portuguese, French and Arabic.But for Arabic, kindly select the "German" channel.
Rachmat
32:43
Hello everyone. Good afternoon from Indonesia!
Mehrdad (he/him)
32:56
Commons is a treasure trove
Ivo Kruusamägi
33:02
Good afternoon from Tartu, Estonia :)
Farhad Fatkullin
33:08
hello from Kazan/Tatarstan/Russia
Michel Bakni [AR]
33:24
please slow
Medhavi Gandhi
33:26
Wikimedia Commons : an image repository by everyone for everyone 🙂
Revital
33:53
Wikimedia Commons - is like the media file you have on your computer but much larger and global....
George Oates
33:59
describe Wikimedia Commons?
Rachmat
34:03
Commons is "the place where you can find old photographs of your country for free"
Andrew Lih
34:05
Commons is a multimedia repository and *community* of the Wikimedia movement
gnangarra (he/him)
34:08
media repository where everything is available under a free license
Mike Dickison
34:11
The image library that Wikipedia uses, full of photos that everybody can use for anything for free.
Farhad Fatkullin
34:12
catalogue of media files by topic
Siobhan Leachman
34:14
Q1: It’s place on the internet where open freely reusable images can be uploaded, stored and where they can be accessed and reused.
Victoria Leachman
34:27
You know the images you see on Wikipedia? this is where they are stored, described and with copyrights statements.
Ailura
34:30
its a repository of media under a free license
Florence Devouard
34:40
Interesting that most people mention « image » more than media ;)
Andrew Lih
34:46
@Flo agree!
Ivo Kruusamägi
34:48
"In short: Wikimedia Commons in the media repository of Wikipedia."
Andrew Lih
34:50
It ain’t just images
Margeigh Novotny
34:52
Commons is like Flickr, a place to upload photos (and other types of media) but with all images free to use by anyone for any purpose.
Susanna Ånäs
34:52
The global hub of freely usable media files
Andrew Lih
35:17
@Flo It ain’t just images, but it’s support for more than images is… NOT good 🙂
Florence Devouard
35:26
yup
Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
36:04
sorry brb, problems on connection
Siobhan Leachman
36:18
If I use “media files” I find I then have to define that too!
Andrew Lih
36:49
Hi @Siobhan! True
George Oates
36:56
and yes i’m claiming i’m still in Europe!!1
Siobhan Leachman
37:03
Hi @Andrew! Nice to see you too.
gnangarra (he/him)
37:44
hi Siobhan nice to see a kiwi here
Mike Dickison
37:44
Yes, I always just talk about photos to newbies, because sound files, for example, are so badly curated and hard to use (let alone upload).
Satdeep Gill
37:44
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/commons-app
Medhavi Gandhi
37:55
+1 Mike
gnangarra (he/him)
38:00
+mike
Siobhan Leachman
38:09
Hi @gnangarra - I’m pretty sure there are at least 2 other NZers here. 🙂
Victoria Leachman
38:22
Hi @Siobhan!
Siobhan Leachman
38:36
Hi @Victoria!
Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
39:14
remember to add yourself to the list of participants, if you like :)
George Oates
39:19
hi Maryana!
Lisa McCabe
40:04
Please use the German channel for Arabic
Andrew Lih
40:07
Agree @Mike - Hopefully we can give this feedback today and get better support beyond images
Andrew Lih
40:41
Though at least on en.wp there is a significant bias (ambivalence?) for media beyond images
Siobhan Leachman
43:08
@Andrew - this seems such a shame. I can remember spending ages working out how to upload an openly licensed conference presentation video to Commons purely because it had the only openly licensed video of New Zealand sign language that I could find.
Ido Ivry
43:39
Thank you @Fiona 🙏
Andrew Lih
44:35
Agree @Siobhan - Sadly, the state of open video standards/activity is pretty poor. The tools we have today have barely changed (and arguably are worse than 10 years ago) and we still don’t have a robust video creation community
Lisa McCabe
44:54
https://easyretro.io/publicboard/ybPhZSBgxPRgNWWBuHd3tW2w3s52/c4014e76-136c-4296-a73c-b12c1737869d
gnangarra (he/him)
45:08
+1 Andrew
Fiona Romeo
45:20
Try to add up to 3 of your needs for Commons. If someone else already types it, just give their point a +1
Andrew Lih
46:13
LOVE the bird chirps!
Margeigh Novotny
46:19
Love this Satdeep!
Fiona Romeo
46:27
A Commons contribution from the British Library
Lisa McCabe
46:55
again for everyone: https://easyretro.io/publicboard/ybPhZSBgxPRgNWWBuHd3tW2w3s52/c4014e76-136c-4296-a73c-b12c1737869d
Fiona Romeo
51:33
The retro board won't close, so you can keep adding points as they arise during the call.
Siobhan Leachman
53:38
+1 @gnangarra
gnangarra (he/him)
54:06
+1 to Andrew search is key factor to gain access
Andrew Lih
54:36
+1 Larissa!
gnangarra (he/him)
54:53
+1 larissa
Ido Ivry
55:04
+1 Larissa
Siobhan Leachman
55:07
+1 @Larissa & @Andrew
Rachmat
55:12
We have already SDC suggestion feature on Commons to "remind" uploaders to add depicts to their uploaded media. It would be useful to add the same mechanism to encourage people categorize their photos.
Lisa McCabe
55:38
Remember everyone to speak slowly, thank you!
Ido Ivry
56:56
Oh, yeah. +10 to this cultural/welcoming gap
Andrew Lih
57:20
(Side note to organizers - I ran out of my “thumbs up” quota very early on, so the later columns of the Retroboard will likely not see a lot of support) 🙂
Medhavi Gandhi
57:20
In many cases - like if using platforms like Trello, WP, one can use openly licensed media from Unsplash…is this integration possible for WikiCommons ?
Siobhan Leachman
57:26
+1 @Mike
Victoria Leachman
57:30
Nice work Mike.
Ivo Kruusamägi
57:39
Commons admins seem to have far too much work, and that creates super hostile environment for the photographers.
Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
57:41
help us taking notes on the etherpad https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/commons-app
gnangarra (he/him)
58:11
++++ mikes comment commons is very strict on licenses that comes off as unfriendly
Fiona Romeo
59:16
Are there any admins or VRTs on the call who could speak to why copyright patrolling might feel the way it does for newcomers?
Andrew Lih
59:21
@G - Agree. There is a very good reason why we need to be strict, but that doesn’t necessitate us being *mean*
gnangarra (he/him)
59:25
who own indigenous/intangible knowledge is an issue
Victoria Leachman
59:25
+1 Susanna
Fiona Romeo
59:42
Or the pressures of the admin/ VRT backlog
Siobhan Leachman
59:57
+1 Susanna
Satdeep Gill
01:00:23
We will surface some comments from the chat as well :)
Delphine Ménard
01:00:40
We had a dream at the beginning for Commons... Make it multilingual from the start. We failed :(
Andrew Lih
01:00:45
BTW, great job so far WMF’ers on keeping the meeting lively and engaging!
Andrew Lih
01:01:09
@Delphine - True. Though with SDC, we are starting to live the dream
Delphine Ménard
01:01:30
@Andrew yes, but so many years later...
Fiona Romeo
01:02:12
@delphine I would like to hear more about where Commons falls short of its multilingual promise. Could you share some remarks shortly?
Fiona Romeo
01:02:33
I have done this @Florence 😊
Andrew Lih
01:02:34
@Delphine @Fiona, yes the category system is a complete mess
Andrew Lih
01:03:16
+1 Florence, English centric categories in Commons is severe sadness
Andrew Lih
01:03:38
+1 Florence, video is a mess too
Jane Darnell
01:03:39
Yes the point of campaigns was that you could prefill categories. Unfortunately campaigns never took off
Siobhan Leachman
01:04:09
+1 @Florence re format. THIS is exactly what I struggled with!
gnangarra (he/him)
01:04:10
empty categories also get deleted
Ivo Kruusamägi
01:04:13
Wiki Science Competion also has 80...90% newcommers, and that shows rather clearly, that newcommers have lot of problems on how do do things: https://www.wikisciencecompetition.org/ (and in there we are actually also collecting sound files, videos, etc)
Andrew Lih
01:04:26
+1 Florence, also because of the trauma from Selfiegate, uploading images to Commons from mobiles is intentionally not easy
Ailura
01:04:42
wrong filenames can be changed (but you still need the rights)
gnangarra (he/him)
01:04:55
commons app is great to use from androids but no apple support
Jane Darnell
01:04:56
Yes my phone is full of photos I would like to upload at some point
Andrew Lih
01:05:26
@Jane - the only easy to use tools for image uploads are… Wikidata oriented. WikiShootMe or PictureThis are what I use
Fiona Romeo
01:05:52
Wiki Loves Africa does so much hard work to support their newcomers
Andrew Lih
01:05:58
+1 Florence - What good is a wishlist if we don’t have a project manager or overseer for Commons development at WMF?
Jane Darnell
01:06:27
I made my own kludge for uploading images from a museum visit, but it needs lots of wikilove afterwards even so
Ivo Kruusamägi
01:06:39
When bringing structured data on Commons, it should have focussed on categories and not images. A lot of category-related madness could have been solved by now.
Satdeep Gill
01:06:42
https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Visual_Story:The_hat-making_industry_in_Cura%C3%A7ao
Siobhan Leachman
01:06:44
Great points from @Florence
gnangarra (he/him)
01:07:09
+1 Andrew yes we need tech support responsible to ensure accountability to phabricator fixes
Andrew Lih
01:07:20
@Jane Interestingly enough the reason why the Wikidata tools are useful is because (sheepishly here) it doesn’t ask you ANYTHING about metadata or licensing. It just works. No questions asked. That’s dangerous-ish but super friendly
Jane Darnell
01:08:04
True! But that pre-supposes you already know the item of course
Farhad Fatkullin
01:08:49
+1 to Andrew & Florence particularly
Andrew Lih
01:08:51
@Ivo - I’d like to hear more about your ideas. We’re still in early days of SDC
Susanna Ånäs
01:10:58
I started a wishlist that focuses on needs from the perspective of GLAM, which currently has comments from me and Patricia Diaz, but I would like us to collect comments more broadly https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wishlist_for_Commons_and_GLAM_in_2022
Seddon
01:11:11
@ivo my understanding is that SDC was meant to be a stepping stone to soften that transition at some future point
Jane Darnell
01:11:15
Yes thanks for making that Susanna
Victoria Leachman
01:11:19
Thanks Susanna - saving that link!
Ido Ivry
01:11:48
Thanks Susanna!
Farhad Fatkullin
01:12:41
We can probably apply Wikifunctions to Commons tag translation
Florence Devouard
01:12:55
How does anyone feel about Gadgets ? It feels that some super useful gadgets are kinda hidden there, and their use made a bit difficult by having to go through changing one’s js page for example. What are your practices to push for new comers to adopt some of the super useful ones ?
Ivo Kruusamägi
01:13:41
And when thinking about the future, then a lot of stuff is being added to Commons, which means, that lot of it would never be used and it gets harder to find it. There need to be more ways to showcase work. Here I imagine, that one of the next projects we need is WikiMuseum for the virtual exhibitions. Like: https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:GLAM/Kynnap
Seddon
01:13:43
@florence are there gadgets that should be considered for productionising?
gnangarra (he/him)
01:13:54
there categories like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fish which have language translations but this manual language additions where as it should just be feed from Wikidata
Revital
01:14:32
https://glamwikidashboard.org/
Florence Devouard
01:14:35
I am a big fan of VFC for example….
Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
01:15:16
Remember to edit your own interventions here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/commons-app(or add your own comments to the etherpad too)
Susanna Ånäs
01:15:20
+1 Ido
Siobhan Leachman
01:15:32
I agree, Florence. There are particular gadgets or tools that I use in certain workflows for example uploading species images which are extremely helpful but I have to talk newbies through if they want to replicate my workflow.
Fiona Romeo
01:15:48
We have been talking to our partnerships team about exploring more of these integration opportunities. Trello is a great suggestion.
Ivo Kruusamägi
01:16:57
As for SDC, then that seems supper messy (especially for photographers, who would just want to get their images uploaded, and not too lot of additional work, like adding depictions etc). If it would focus on categories, then it would be a substantially easier stepping stone. For images, what is needed, is some new functionality. Like rating images based on quality to not rely solely on FP and QI.  
Mehrdad (he/him)
01:17:15
The personal connections have been a necessity, a lifeline, but can this sustain Commons's growth and expansion
Jane Darnell
01:17:28
I agree Larissa!
Medhavi Gandhi
01:17:31
+1 Larissa !
Fiona Romeo
01:17:44
In response to feedback, we have increased votes on the retro board from 5 to 10, so you can add a plus one to 5 more issues if you want to. https://easyretro.io/publicboard/ybPhZSBgxPRgNWWBuHd3tW2w3s52/c4014e76-136c-4296-a73c-b12c1737869d
Satdeep Gill
01:18:22
FP = Featured PicturesQI = Quality images
Delphine Ménard
01:18:28
I think one of the most fundamental questions we need to ask ourselves is whether Commons is here to serve the rest of the Wikimedia Projects or has a much different destiny... (repository for the world's media, illustration bank for the world etc.)
Fiona Romeo
01:18:31
FP = featured pictures, QI = quality images
Florence Devouard
01:18:59
Until captions are more used, it will always be confusing what the difference is between caption, description and depicts anyway
Seddon
01:19:00
MediaSearch does provide filtering based on quality etc.
Medhavi Gandhi
01:19:13
It might be interesting if GLAMs who have uploaded to Commons can showcase the same.. “Wiki Commons Feed” on their website, fo example.
Andrew Lih
01:19:14
There seems to also be a number of comments related to the video encoding and uploading workflow (or lack thereof) - it would be nice to have more support in this area
Florence Devouard
01:19:35
Delphine, an issue that has been an open question ever since the creation of Commons. There was no consensus, and even now still does not
Andrew Lih
01:19:58
@Medhavi I like that - more “frictionless sharing” of Commons files to use an old Facebook phrase
Adam Baso
01:20:30
I wonder, is there a way to further streamline connecting newcomers with experienced Commonists? Is that something that's viable, is there a way to scale this or are there insufficient Commonists? Improved UX is great, and so is a bond between people.
Andrew Lih
01:20:32
@Florence - I’m still not sure what captions are for
Delphine Ménard
01:20:32
@Flo yes
Florence Devouard
01:21:05
+1 Andrew. My understanding is that it would typically be the default Alt text when the picture is used
Mike Dickison
01:21:40
@Florence Alt text is very different from a caption!
Florence Devouard
01:21:40
But unless there is a HUGE improvement on picture caption… this is unlikely to be really implemented
Susanna Ånäs
01:21:44
We at AvoinGLAM are starting a project GLAM School, interviewing GLAM practitioners about support structures, learning materials etc that are needed to successfully contribute to the open ecosystem https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM_School
Fiona Romeo
01:21:59
@gnangarra Flickr's “no known restrictions" was a useful workaround when they launched their Commons project.
Medhavi Gandhi
01:22:24
@Susanna.. wonderful! we’re working on a similar thing..maybe we join forces ;)
Florence Devouard
01:22:32
@Mike, it is different. But could not it be used as default « small description » of an image ?
Susanna Ånäs
01:22:39
@medhavi: sounds superb!
Andrew Lih
01:23:00
While we are honing in on problems, it is important to note that we have a significant win - we went from problem to solution in 9 months when we had no way to add references to SDC statements. That was a May 2021 user story leading to an August 2021 development start to a Jan 2022 launch. So we can get things done.
Satdeep Gill
01:23:15
+100 to Adam's comment. I have received a lot of support from experienced Commons contributors in the photography journey in the past 5 years :)
Siobhan Leachman
01:23:20
@Andrew Agree!
gnangarra (he/him)
01:23:27
@Fiona at the moment the default is do no harm whish means if theres doubt on licensing its rejected
Fiona Romeo
01:23:35
Do we have any admins or VRTs here who can share some of their challenges keeping up with the backlog?
Florence Devouard
01:24:02
Oh, good point Fiona ! Permission fun….
Ivo Kruusamägi
01:24:17
I'm a VRT admin, but i deal only with Estonia. So that is not really it.
Fiona Romeo
01:24:44
Kudos to Shari (on this call) for prioritizing that references feature
Shari Wakiyama
01:24:52
@andrew glad to hear this about adding references
gnangarra (he/him)
01:25:02
@fiona I'm on VRT... its a long back and forth process trying to get the sufficiently right wording for the image to be released especially where the photographer is a third party but the copyright was handed to the uploader'
Jane Darnell
01:25:23
Oh uploading
Fiona Romeo
01:25:37
@gnangarra Do you think the majority of VRTs would welcome policy or process changes to make this easier, or
Jane Darnell
01:25:38
Think dick pics
gnangarra (he/him)
01:25:45
🤣
what are the civilian applications
01:26:29
Happened a few time. Even the old fromowner system had a very high copyvio rate
gnangarra (he/him)
01:26:41
@fiona yes simplifying would be great but it mans accepting less precise wording on the release
Ido Ivry
01:27:09
Apologies, I need to go for a meeting. Good to see you all, thank your for the opportunity to provide some feedback for this important project.
George Oates
01:27:12
responding to the annual plan doc’s tone… and the idea of two-way planning… perhaps another way to think about what WM Commons needs is ‘what should WM Commons NOT do?”
gnangarra (he/him)
01:27:18
thanks Ido
George Oates
01:27:21
(note, i work at flickr.org) 😄
Fiona Romeo
01:27:23
Thanks for all of your input @Ido
gnangarra (he/him)
01:28:10
+1 Flo WikiLoves is good source of those carp images
Delphine Ménard
01:28:21
@Fional I am a dormant admin. Every time I try to reengage, I don't know where to start :( Even knowing what I know about copyvio (which is probably enough), which is usually what I tackle, I often don't know how to do this right. I end up deleting 5 pics in one hour because I go back to each project using them, leave messages on talk pages etc. It's very very time consuming.
Andrew Lih
01:28:47
@Gnangarra - carp or crap?
Florence Devouard
01:29:06
Delphine, want me to hook you to the forthcoming Wiki Loves Africa image clean-up ?
Jane Darnell
01:29:12
I'm sure without checking we have good carp images
Siobhan Leachman
01:29:16
I am a HUGE fan of tools. I use https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Kaldari/inat2commons.js ALL the time when uploading species images for reuse in Wikidata and English Wikipedia articles. I wish there were more tools like this for other workflows.
Delphine Ménard
01:29:16
@Flo yep
gnangarra (he/him)
01:29:19
+Susanna we don't communicate well from Commons to the other projects especuially around license issues
Florence Devouard
01:29:51
Let’s do that…
gnangarra (he/him)
01:30:54
I wonder if we go to an upload to other projects and draw them photos onto commons
Jane Darnell
01:31:04
Yes I agree about it still being hard when you have lots of tools
Jane Darnell
01:31:16
And I am NOT an admin
Andrew Lih
01:31:36
@Gnangarra - Yes, that was the appeal of WikiShootme and PictureThis as it used Wikidata as a vehicle to get more commons photos. We need more things like that
Andrew Lih
01:32:38
Though you do run into the cultural clash between the traditional Commons community/admins and this new vector for adding images/media
Florence Devouard
01:32:44
But what are captions for…
gnangarra (he/him)
01:32:51
English isn't one language, its nuianced
Margeigh Novotny
01:32:57
Thank you Shari!
[ES] Francesc Fort
01:32:59
plz slower in the future
Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
01:34:58
friendly reminder: we're taking notes at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/commons-apphelp is appreciated, and please edit/add your own comments!
Fiona Romeo
01:35:24
Design research sign up: https://commons.youcanbook.me/
Margeigh Novotny
01:35:52
Thanks Jeff!
Seddon
01:36:22
Wikimeidia :D
Tajh Taylor
01:36:24
good morning!
Fiona Romeo
01:36:25
Jeff, could you share a bit more about your priorities for the research? If there is time at the end.
Andrew Lih
01:36:33
Wikimeida (sp!)
Andrew Lih
01:36:41
LOL no problem
Jeff
01:37:00
Sure thing, Fiona
Fiona Romeo
01:37:07
You don't have to worry so much about mistyping for an audio project
Shari Wakiyama
01:37:09
@francesc also adding product strategy to the notes
Andrew Lih
01:37:21
Touché Fiona
[ES] Francesc Fort
01:40:58
slower
gnangarra (he/him)
01:41:33
sounds exciting
Satdeep Gill
01:41:33
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Sound_Logo
Florence Devouard
01:41:40
I look forward to this sound logo thing
Mehrdad (he/him)
01:41:48
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/03/15/you-cant-see-the-puzzle-globe-on-an-audio-speaker-a-sound-logo-for-wikimedia/
Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
01:42:43
about what sorry?
Fiona Romeo
01:43:10
Volunteer Response Team and admins on Commons, i.e. the people who are patrolling, and dealing with licensing issues
Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
01:43:56
thanks, trying my best to take notes :)
George Oates
01:44:13
maybe some kind of job share with commercial media platforms, to do skills exchange on moderation/admin stuff...
George Oates
01:44:24
(and other things)
Jeff
01:44:43
Here’s the link again to sign up for the research: https://commons.youcanbook.me/
Fiona Romeo
01:44:56
Can you say more about after Mike, George?
gnangarra (he/him)
01:45:23
moral rights
Susanna Ånäs
01:45:24
Superb, Mike!
Siobhan Leachman
01:45:32
+1 Mike!!!
Florence Devouard
01:45:37
Personnality rights in particular
gnangarra (he/him)
01:45:40
+1 mike
Lucy Patterson, she/her (WMDE)
01:45:46
+1 Mike
Siobhan Leachman
01:45:49
Cultural status of media
Revital
01:46:31
interesting comment! +1 Mike
Fiona Romeo
01:46:33
This is really important, Mike, and we can look to NZ and Australia for good models
Susanna Ånäs
01:47:24
👏👏👏
what are the civilian applications
01:47:27
Ehhh
George Oates
01:47:46
😄
Margaret Donald
01:48:51
Thanks Mike for bringing this up I tried to use content from several books published, but largely by indigenous Australians. Theey were strongly of the view that I should not use any of their content
Mike Dickison
01:48:56
@Fiona I wish we could say NZ has sorted out how to identify cultural permissions for images!
Margeigh Novotny
01:49:18
Interesting idea George!
Victoria Leachman
01:49:28
+1 Mike. New Zealand isn't as far along as the rest of the world thinks....
what are the civilian applications
01:49:42
This issue is that commons has been quite careful and aggressive in making sure that it only concerns itself with copyright
Fiona Romeo
01:49:44
There are ethical think tanks doing research around this too
gnangarra (he/him)
01:49:48
its hard working with indigenous cultures that have been abused and face a stolen knowledge
Jane Darnell
01:50:06
"The New User Experience on Commons" is a movie I really don't want to watch - too depressing
Mike Dickison
01:50:14
@Victoria Unfortunately everybody else seems to be even worse than us!
Mehrdad (he/him)
01:50:18
It can be a thriller Jane
Florence Devouard
01:50:26
+1 @wa
Jane Darnell
01:50:42
@Mehrdad - a horror show!
George Oates
01:50:49
easy to fix!
Margaret Donald
01:50:58
The new user experience has become worse. Any new user trying to invent/find categories or use depicts and people think they need to feel this in
Margeigh Novotny
01:50:59
Absolutely agree: improved user experience is a fundamental goal of all the work we're talking about here.
what are the civilian applications
01:51:04
ehh current upload setup is a lot better than it used to be
gnangarra (he/him)
01:51:04
its be a murder mystery
Fiona Romeo
01:51:10
There are definitely people we haven't heard from yet. Don't be shy!
what are the civilian applications
01:51:48
time on Thursday?
Victoria Leachman
01:52:02
I'll regretfully decline a 4am meeting but I've enjoyed this evening.
gnangarra (he/him)
01:52:05
midnight AWST
Fiona Romeo
01:52:17
Finally, please everyone share in the chat an image you recently uploaded to, or found on, Commons. Let's remember why we care about Commons so much.
Florence Devouard
01:52:35
Can Sherry starting points be put in written format somewhere ?
Fiona Romeo
01:52:40
Thursday 28 April, 4-5.30pm UTC // https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/83877607603
what are the civilian applications
01:52:42
the sadiest train https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Railway_train,_Fintown_-_geograph.org.uk_-_2108945.jpg
Florence Devouard
01:53:01
(I think it was Sherry, but not sure of the name)
Victoria Leachman
01:53:02
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bees_on_capped_worker_brood.jpg
Siobhan Leachman
01:53:07
Unsurprisingly its a New Zealand endemic moth! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Epiphryne_charidema_autocharis_175891430.jpg
Margaret Donald
01:53:25
File:Euphorbia tithymaloides BradshawFTA.jpg
Siobhan Leachman
01:53:29
@Victoria - classic!
Nadee Gunasena
01:53:32
@Flo, Shari has put her points in the Etherpad notes
gnangarra (he/him)
01:53:34
a video https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cattle_run_robbs_jetty_gnangarra_051121.webm
Andrew Lih
01:53:39
New images described from The Met - adding P180/depiction info to these. Maybe we can turn this into a Wikimedia Hackathon activity
Shari Wakiyama
01:53:39
@Florence they are in the notes. I'll work with Fiona on how to share more and always reach out to me directly.
Andrew Lih
01:53:40
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Mar%C3%A9s
Fiona Romeo
01:53:40
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Banana_Plant_Flask_by_Max_Gruber.jpg (from a BBC research project about representing AI)
Margaret Donald
01:53:49
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Euphorbia_tithymaloides_BradshawFTA.jpg
Mike Dickison
01:53:56
A bonkers anti-vax cafe in Collingwood. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Collingwood_MRD_03.jpg
George Oates
01:54:07
how many staff at WMF now?
Satdeep Gill
01:54:18
The 2nd Annual Plan for Wikimedia Commons is on Thursday 28 April at 16:00 to 17:30 UTC.Zoom link: https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/83877607603
Victoria Leachman
01:54:20
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MA_I173814_TePapa_Captain-SW-Onslow-and_full.jpg For a project I'm doing on British Army soldiers of the New Zealand Wars
Alex Lum
01:54:24
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_of_Order_of_Australia_honours_to_women.svg (gets used by a lot of media outlets)
Jane Darnell
01:54:30
A painting https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Codde_-_Portrait_of_a_richly_dressed_young_lady,_full-length,_before_a_draped_table_2018_NYR_15654_0044.jpg
Fiona Romeo
01:54:44
I love all of these images, thank you, and keep them coming
Ivo Kruusamägi
01:54:53
My last upload: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Melchior_the_Apothecary
Florence Devouard
01:55:00
Cant find them in the notes….
what are the civilian applications
01:55:06
No .STLs?
Margeigh Novotny
01:55:24
Thank you to our interpreters! Bravo!
Jane Darnell
01:55:26
Thanks for the call
Medhavi Gandhi
01:55:27
Thank you all so much! Wonderful being here
Susanna Ånäs
01:55:32
This is my last image upload, a historical building https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lot_16_in_Convent_quarter.jpg
Satdeep Gill
01:55:32
My latest Featured Picture on Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Khairdeen_urf_Pritam,_Black_and_White.jpg
Victoria Leachman
01:55:44
Thanks so much everyone - really useful
Fiona Romeo
01:55:45
You're fancy @satdeep
gnangarra (he/him)
01:56:00
thank you to Maryana Lisa and everyone else from the WMF for listening to our needs
Florence Devouard
01:56:02
My last upload 🙂 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LE_BABENDA.webm
Fiona Romeo
01:56:03
Thank you so much Lisa for your incredible, last-minute facilitation. What a pro!
Adam Baso
01:56:04
Thanks interpreters, thanks all. Be well.
Andrew Lih
01:56:04
Thanks all!
Siobhan Leachman
01:56:06
Thank you for this meeting. It was very stimulating and thought provoking.
Florence Devouard
01:56:07
thanks
what are the civilian applications
01:56:07
tk
Margeigh Novotny
01:56:08
thank you!
Siobhan Leachman
01:56:17
+1
Gorana Gomirac
01:56:20
Thanks!
Farhad Fatkullin
01:56:34
🙏🥳
Fiona Romeo
01:56:36
Heroic note-taking Sannita
Satdeep Gill
01:56:50
Etherpad link once again: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/commons-app
George Oates
01:57:09
thanks all! bye!